[Scpg] Scpg Digest, Vol 81, Issue 9

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> >   1. Re: is ice plant a good edible permaculture plant?
> >      (John Valenzuela)
> >   2. Van Jones resigns from White House (Quail Springs)
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> > Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 02:30:20 -0700
> > From: John Valenzuela <johnvalenzuela at hotmail.com>
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> > Subject: Re: [Scpg] is ice plant a good edible permaculture plant?
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> > Linda, your useful information and propositions concerning iceplant have
> > really got me going on a little rant here!
> >
> > Iceplant is barely edible to me, definitely not a 'good edible
> permaculture
> > plant'. Our grandparents may have found iceplant quite useful, but many
> of
> > them were not aware of the value of native plants in thier ethnobotanical
> > and wildlife habitat functions, as many of us are still not aware of
> today.
> >
> > Wow! With all the useful, uniquely native, and other relatively
> > non-invasive plants to promote, are we entertaining the idea of planting
> > something that we all have all observed spreading locally and creating
> huge
> > monocultures, even taking over some relatively stable native coastal
> plant
> > communities? OK, it may be a very interesting and useful plant, but it
> > doesn't mean we have to plant it, to use it- Don't we have enough of it
> to
> > use already? From my perspective, planting iceplant would be a lazy
> choice.
> > For others, do the cost/benefit analysis and compare to other plant
> options
> > (and combinations) to see what your best choices might be.
> >
> > from the website you linked to (
> > http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantcd/carpobed.htm):
> > Conservation status
> > Carpobrotus edulis is not regarded as threatened in its native habitat,
> but
> > it is invading natural areas in other parts of the world and threatening
> the
> > survival of other species. In California, where it has been used since
> the
> > early 1900s to stabilize the soil along railway tracks and roadsides and
> as
> > a garden ornamental, it has naturalized and is invading coastal
> vegetation
> > from north of Eureka to Rosarita Bay. It is known as the highway ice
> plant
> > in the USA.
> >
> > from another source:
> > There is evidence that iceplant also competes indirectly with native
> > species. It has been reported that iceplant can lower soil pH and also
> > affect the root morphology of some native shrubs (D'Antonio, 1990a;
> > D'Antonio and Mahall, 1991). It is also possible, because iceplant does
> not
> > seem to be palatable to most native herbivores, that its presence could
> > increase browsing pressure on native flora and influence the species
> > composition of herbivorous fauna. (3) Invasion by the alien succulent, C.
> > edulis , has become a common occurrence after fire in maritime chaparral
> >
> > also see:
> > (
> >
> http://www.cal-ipc.org/ip/management/ipcw/pages/detailreport.cfm@usernumber=25&surveynumber=182.php
> > )
> >
> > I am definitely not suggesting that I only use natives in my plantings,
> but
> > come on! Let's be a little more creative than planting something that can
> > actually lower bio-diversity, like ice plant does!
> >
> > Now having gotten all that out, Thank you for all the useful information
> on
> > iceplant, as I am actually quite interested in the many uses of locally
> > invasive (well adapted), or overly planted, seemingly useless landscape
> > plants, (such as Agapanthus, or the various shrubs known as Broom).
> > Considering all the qualities that were noted, perhaps it's economic
> values
> > can be used as an incentive to harvest and remove it, to fund replacement
> > with a more diverse, locally unique, and productive assembly of plants.
> If
> > the plant selection criteria is to have some fire resistant, good tasting
> > fruit and medicinal uses, how about some diversity plantings, starting
> with
> > native prickly pear and some Aloe spp., Agave spp., and so many others. .
> .?
> >   Rather than more of the same old-monoculture, lets plan for more
> diversity
> > and complexity of relationships!
> >
> > be fruitful-
> > John V.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cornucopia Kitchen Gardens and Food Forests
> > John Valenzuela
> > Permaculture Services
> > Horticulturist, Consultant, Educator-
> >
> > California, Hawai'i
> > phone: (415) 246-8834
> >
> > e-mail: johnvalenzuela at hotmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> > From: LBUZZELL at aol.com
> > Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 14:34:14 -0400
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> > Subject: [Scpg] is ice plant a good edible permaculture plant?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Iceplant (Carpobrotus edulis aka Hottentot Fig) has a bad
> > reputation in California these days, although its usefulness was much
> > valued by our grandparents' generation.  It's an
> > attractive, low-growing groundcover plant now considered invasive and
> > governments are spending a lot of money ripping it out and replacing it
> > with native plants.
> >
> > But perhaps from a permaculture point of view it's worth another look?
> It's
> > an amazing plant that performs multiple useful functions.
> >
> >  Yields an edible fruit which has been eaten by humans
> >  since archeological times. Fruit is fleshy, 35 mm in diameter, shaped
> >  like a spinning top, on a winged stalk, becoming yellow and fragrant
> when
> >  ripe. The outer wall of the fruit becomes yellowish, wrinkled and
> leathery
> >  with age. The seeds are embedded in the sticky, sweet, jelly-like
> > mucilage.
> >  The fruits can be eaten fresh and they have a strong, astringent, salty,
> > sour
> >  taste. They are not as tasty as those of C.
> >  acinaciformis (purple iceplant, can be used to make delicious jam)
> >  and C. deliciosus (purple or pink iceplant) which are sweeter. See
> > http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantcd/carpobed.htm
> >
> >  Edible by some wildlife as well. Flowers draw bees and
> >  are also eaten by animals. In S. Africa, leaves are eaten by tortoises.
> >
> >  Holds water and thus is an effective fire-resistant
> >  barrier around house or in foothills in fire-prone areas.
> >  Drought tolerant
> >  A coastal plant
> >  Low maintenance. Vigorous and will grow where little
> >  else wants to grow
> >  Wind resistant
> >  Controls erosion by binding hillsides, stabilizing
> >  sandy dunes.
> >  Shallow-rooting so good for roof gardens
> >  Like most succulents, a useful "living mulch"
> >  groundcover.
> >  "Can be planted on flat, sandy ground, on loose sand dunes, gravelly
> >  gardens, lime-rich and brackish soils as well as in containers,
> rockeries,
> >  embankments and will cascade over terrace walls."
> >  Pretty yellow flowers and attractive rusty coloration
> >  even when not in bloom (you can see its autumnal-toned beauty in many
> >  paintings of coastal California scenes).
> >  Has medicinal uses and is a first-aid plant. "The leaf
> >  juice is astringent and mildly antiseptic. It is mixed with water and
> >  swallowed to treat diarrhea, dysentery and stomach cramps, and is used
> as
> > a
> >  gargle to relieve laryngitis, sore throat and mouth infections. Chewing
> a
> > leaf
> >  tip and swallowing the juice is enough to ease a sore throat. Leaf juice
> > or a
> >  crushed leaf is a famous soothing cure for blue-bottle stings - being a
> >  coastal plant it is luckily often on hand in times of such emergencies.
> > The
> >  leaf juice is used as a soothing lotion for burns, bruises, scrapes,
> cuts,
> >  grazes and sunburn, ringworm, eczema, dermatitis, sunburn, herpes, nappy
> > rash,
> >  thrush, cold sores, cracked lips, chafing, skin conditions and
> > allergies...The
> >  leaf juice also relieves the itch from mosquito, tick and spider bites
> > both
> >  for people and their animal companions. In the Eastern Cape of South
> >  africa it is also used to treat diabetes and diptheria."
> > So what do you think?  It is worth another look?  Could this be a
> > useful plant for various garden and permaculture designs? Or should it be
> > shunned as uncontrollable?
> >
> > Linda
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> > Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 08:56:34 -0700
> > From: "Quail Springs" <info at quailsprings.org>
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> > Subject: [Scpg] Van Jones resigns from White House
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> > Dear friends,
> >
> >
> >
> > As a friend and supporter of Van Jones and progressive government,
> hearing
> > of his resignation from the White House - I am sad today, again, at the
> > state of our country, and yet so inspired by Van Jones' courage, and
> happy
> > and proud that he is part of our movement for healing the planet and
> human
> > communities.  Below is what I found of his resignation statement, and a
> few
> > links that help get to the story.
> >
> >
> >
> > ~  Kolmi Majumdar
> >
> > kolmi at quailsprings.org
> >
> >
> >
> > >From Van Jones' resignation statement:
> >
> > I am resigning my post at the Council on Environmental Quality, effective
> > today.  On the eve of historic fights for health care and clean energy,
> > opponents of reform have mounted a vicious smear campaign against me.
> They
> > are using lies and distortions to distract and divide.  I have been
> > inundated with calls - from across the political spectrum - urging me to
> > "stay and fight." But I came here to fight for others, not for myself. I
> > cannot in good conscience ask my colleagues to expend precious time and
> > energy defending or explaining my past. We need all hands on deck,
> fighting
> > for the future. It has been a great honor to serve my country and my
> > President in this capacity. I thank everyone who has offered support and
> > encouragement. I am proud to have been able to make a contribution to the
> > clean energy future. I will continue to do so, in the months and years
> > ahead.
> >
> > Van Jones Resigns (at Think Progress.org)
> >
> > http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/06/van-jones-resigns/
> >
> >
> >
> > Van Jones.net
> >
> > http://www.vanjones.net/
> >
> >
> >
> > NAACP Supports Van Jones
> >
> > http://www.naacp.org/news/press/2009-09-04/
> >
> >
> >
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