[Scpg] re: biodiesel

[Faramarz Nabavi]

while biodiesel isn't *THE* solution - clearly, a radical reduction in
global and especially american consumption is necessary to save the planet
from destruction - biodiesel is one of many small steps to transition away
from the nonregenerative waste produced by the fossil fuel economy.

faramarz


On Thu, 22 May 2003 scpg-request at arashi.com wrote:

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> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:45:50 +0000
> From: "m r h" <imario_ at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Scpg] Biodiesel may be the problem
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>   Hi, My name's Mario.  I have a background in the libertarian labor
> movement, cooperative housing, and the industrial implosion fantasy club.
> As opposed to sudden "industrial collapse", implosion could take place over
> hundreds of years due to birth rates well below replacement level , resource
> scarcity, or a combination of both and others I haven't mentioned, and could
> entail a much softer landing for us humans caught up in places like Los
> Angeles...  So as you can imagine I've been most interested in the alarm
> bells being rung by former geologists that have worked for Exxon, Shell, BP
> and all the other major ecocidal criminals.  I'm sure you've read that they
> are saying that peak oil production could happen in this decade due to the
> fact that new giant fields just aren't being found, especially not at the
> rate we are using the existing ones.  With increasing demand and a forever
> decreasing supply, oil prices would skyrocket throwing us into perpetual
> recession (Gross Domestic Product contraction), a reworking of the global
> corporate system to one of local production for local consumption, less
> overall material consumption, etcetera.  In that framework nature could
> begin to heal itself from this terrible disease we now know as capitalism.
>
>   However my hopes were put off last week when I read about biodiesel. Not
> only is it a renewable resource that can provide the fuel that keeps this
> machine running, but it is economical. In one report I read that the net
> energy gain is about 1 for 3.  It takes about 1 gallon of veggie oil to fuel
> the tractor, the processing of the soy, the transportation to market,
> etcetera to gain 3 gallons of veggie "biodiesel" . My immediate thought was
> "Great! (sigh) Once gasoline hits 3 or 4 dollars a gallon, biodiesel will be
> very competitively priced in the market.  All land that has not been spared
> the wrath of the plow will be converted to growing soy for food and car
> fuel: more environmental destruction with less smog."  However I just read
> that if all the soy that is currently grown in the US per year (a lot) was
> redirected from food to biodiesel production America would have enough of it
> to replace its oil consumption for about 2 days.
>
> -Mario
> Failing Auto-Warranty Telemarketer
> http://dieoff.org  "In short, the end of oil signals the end of
> civilization, as we know it. "
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> >From: "severine fleming" <svf02000 at pomona.edu>
> >To: <scpg at arashi.com>
> >Subject: [Scpg] biodiesel and resource center
> >Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:49:41 -0700
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> >hi there.
> >
> >My name is severine fleming, I am  the coordinator of a 2.5 acre (200 fruit
> >tree) permaculture site and childrens education center in claremont
> >california, working on the campus of Pomona College.
> >
> >I am currently doing a biodiesel outreach tour of northern california while
> >compiling an online resource for young organic entrepreneurs in association
> >with www.growfood.org
> >I was hoping to learn of your activities and perhaps to interview some of
> >your leadership council, I would also love to share with you some
> >information on alternative fuels and especially vegetable oil fuel system.
> >
> >Please do contact me. svf02000 at pomona.edu. I would be most grateful.
> >Farm out. Severine _______________________________________________ Scpg
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