Yeah But ( Re: [Scpg] Biodiesel may be the problem)

[steven sprinkel]

yeah, but they's gointa pitch the grease anyhow sose they could make into
fuel except your probably right about the end result anyway Mario. Here we
eat all our grease anyways. We all want so bad to undo the future, maybe I
will get a horse after all. Teach it to graze cactus and whatnot, since my
well is down at 220 feet, and you may be able to throw a stone that far but
try pulling 80 gallons a minute up here. Lovely water really. Except I need
fossil power to get at enough of it to water my horse and wet down his
forage. Thanks for the update, looks like a good southern hemi swell season
coming don't you think?
Nice vectors.
farmerandcook

----- Original Message -----
From: "m r h" <imario_ at hotmail.com>
To: <svf02000 at pomona.edu>; <scpg at arashi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:45 PM
Subject: [Scpg] Biodiesel may be the problem


>
>
>   Hi, My name's Mario.  I have a background in the libertarian labor
> movement, cooperative housing, and the industrial implosion fantasy club.
> As opposed to sudden "industrial collapse", implosion could take place
over
> hundreds of years due to birth rates well below replacement level ,
resource
> scarcity, or a combination of both and others I haven't mentioned, and
could
> entail a much softer landing for us humans caught up in places like Los
> Angeles...  So as you can imagine I've been most interested in the alarm
> bells being rung by former geologists that have worked for Exxon, Shell,
BP
> and all the other major ecocidal criminals.  I'm sure you've read that
they
> are saying that peak oil production could happen in this decade due to the
> fact that new giant fields just aren't being found, especially not at the
> rate we are using the existing ones.  With increasing demand and a forever
> decreasing supply, oil prices would skyrocket throwing us into perpetual
> recession (Gross Domestic Product contraction), a reworking of the global
> corporate system to one of local production for local consumption, less
> overall material consumption, etcetera.  In that framework nature could
> begin to heal itself from this terrible disease we now know as capitalism.
>
>   However my hopes were put off last week when I read about biodiesel. Not
> only is it a renewable resource that can provide the fuel that keeps this
> machine running, but it is economical. In one report I read that the net
> energy gain is about 1 for 3.  It takes about 1 gallon of veggie oil to
fuel
> the tractor, the processing of the soy, the transportation to market,
> etcetera to gain 3 gallons of veggie "biodiesel" . My immediate thought
was
> "Great! (sigh) Once gasoline hits 3 or 4 dollars a gallon, biodiesel will
be
> very competitively priced in the market.  All land that has not been
spared
> the wrath of the plow will be converted to growing soy for food and car
> fuel: more environmental destruction with less smog."  However I just read
> that if all the soy that is currently grown in the US per year (a lot) was
> redirected from food to biodiesel production America would have enough of
it
> to replace its oil consumption for about 2 days.
>
> -Mario
> Failing Auto-Warranty Telemarketer
> http://dieoff.org  "In short, the end of oil signals the end of
> civilization, as we know it. "
> http://iww.org  "Fire your boss."
> http://www.vhemt.org/ "May we live long, and die out."
>
>
>
> >From: "severine fleming" <svf02000 at pomona.edu>
> >To: <scpg at arashi.com>
> >Subject: [Scpg] biodiesel and resource center
> >Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:49:41 -0700
> >
> >hi there.
> >
> >My name is severine fleming, I am  the coordinator of a 2.5 acre (200
fruit
> >tree) permaculture site and childrens education center in claremont
> >california, working on the campus of Pomona College.
> >
> >I am currently doing a biodiesel outreach tour of northern california
while
> >compiling an online resource for young organic entrepreneurs in
association
> >with www.growfood.org
> >I was hoping to learn of your activities and perhaps to interview some of
> >your leadership council, I would also love to share with you some
> >information on alternative fuels and especially vegetable oil fuel
system.
> >
> >Please do contact me.
> >svf02000 at pomona.edu.
> >I would be most grateful.
> >Farm out.
> >Severine
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