[Lapg] Lapg Digest, Vol 72, Issue 3

[Jacky Bolbat]

1. Who to vote for: Santa Monica OSE - Demonstration Garden Design Contest
Poll
     (Lois Arkin)

I looked at the designs and I voted for:

1. Designer #3
2. Designer #2
3. Designer#2

This was based on the materials they used, the amount of edible and native
plants and the overall "sustainability" of the design.

hope this was helpful!


On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 11:24 AM, <lapg-request at arashi.com> wrote:

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>   1. Santa Monica OSE - Demonstration Garden Design Contest Poll
>      (Lois Arkin)
>   2. (no subject) (Dennis Pilien)
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Lois Arkin <crsp at igc.org>
> To: lapg at arashi.com
> Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 20:19:12 -0700
> Subject: [Lapg] Santa Monica OSE - Demonstration Garden Design Contest Poll
> http://www.smgov.net/departments/ose/categories/form.aspx?ekfrm=13896
>
> Does anyone know if any of these designers have been permaculture trained?
>
> Which designs are most aligned with permaculture guidelines/values?
>
> Is there one design that we might collectively decide on and influence the
> outcome of the contest?
>
> Hmmm, just a few thoughts for further mainstreaming of permaculture.
>
> Lois
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Dennis Pilien <dpilien98 at yahoo.com>
> To: lapg at arashi.com
> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 11:24:14 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: [Lapg] (no subject)
>  I would like to collect invasive weed "poles" (like Arundo donax, the
> bamboo reed) to build permaculture structures like an aquaculture-greenhouse
> both quonset-style and hemisphere-style. Does anyone have bamboo canes or
> small fish of any type for free or exchange? Maybe you a place nearby that
> the owners would be happy to have some of the bamboo canes removed or maybe
> they have a pile of canes that are just sitting in  the sun. I will pick up
> with a truck. I can exchange for any number of subtropical plants, lots of
> succulents, several large Peruvian rose apple cactus, etc.
>
> Also, I would need a number of Tilapia x hybrids (~40% edible "meat"/live
> weight or similar) and I will pay for these. Everything will be as anonymous
> as needed. Cal Fish and Game has a moratorium on any *Tilapia *or *Sarotherodon
> *species statewide for the next five years, unless you have a large
> commercial growers license for at least five years running or get a letter
> of permission, which they will not write or give (Dr. Maxwell, CFG, Los
> Alamitos Office, 2009). They have a list of ten species that are
> all freshwater and carnivores. In permaculture, if one eats consumers, they
> should be herbivores on land or in the water, verdad? It shortens the food
> chain for better efficiency. Tilapia grow like fast, can be prepared as a
> tasty dinner, breed easily, are one of the most efficient converters of food
> with one of the highest assimilation efficiencies planetwide and don't waste
> energy (calories) in movement against gravity, as they are nuetrally
> bouyant. They need warmer temperatures all year to have sustainable harvests
> Cal Fish and Game officially restricts even mosquito fish, as I just got
> about fifteen of them from the GLACVCD Office in Santa Fe Springs yesterday,
> but they have to know everything about their use also, as they check your
> yard, project, etc. as they deliver them.
>
> I am also looking for an inoculum or start up culture of Spirulina
> platensis, the blue-green algae originally from Chad in central Africa that
> has all eight of the essential amino acids, which we must get daily and we
> can build/synthesize just about every protein known to exist in our bodies,
> and doubles its population of cells faster than daily in many cases. It has
> a very high net primary productivity (growth) and protein content. In 1984 a
> barrel of fish-flake-like dried Spirulina retailed for about $1400 retail
> and it was raised from free cow manure by Solar Aquafarms in Sun City, near
> Hemet (nice tours if you can get one).
>
> Do you have a site where a permaculture demonstartion of this can be done?
> I live in La Mirada near Fullerton, on the L.A./O.C. borderline, so drives
> cross-county are less interesting, but do-able a few times. Local sites are
> preferred. What does that mean in the "car capital of the world"? Give it a
> try. I will work to start you up.
>
> Basically the fish have gill rakers that strain the algae from the water
> column and the algae can receive nutrients from various "waste"-food
> substrates. The system has two cultured potentailly high-end products that
> could be demonstrated and be successful in the city. If you add a Malaysian
> prawn or a Marron (large crayfish species and can be the size of a lobster)
> or a red swamp crayfish (local, but resitricted by Cal Fish and Game)
> population to the mix, you can possibly extract three edible product lines.
> Tilapia at the top of the water column and in the mid-water zone, shrimp or
> crayfish feeding on any bottom detritus, and Spirulina all work together. I
> did something like this a while ago. I was wondering if L.A. is ready for
> this more permacultured approach now... Comments, questions?
> Towards sustainability,
> Best,
> Dennis Pilien
> LAPDC Group 2006-2007
>
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