[Lapg] Lapg Digest, Vol 66, Issue 18
dana wood
raincloudmusic at hotmail.com
Wed Nov 11 17:50:45 PST 2009
i have a house in Santa Monica, with a small front yard that I would offer to a group to turn into an example of a sustainable landscape. Let me know if anyone is interested.
Thank you - Dana
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> 1. Re: Southern California version of this (steve williams)
> 2. Starhawk: Permaculture and the Sacred at The Ojai Foundation
> Dec 4-6 w/ evening lecture on Dec 4th (Rachel Dawson)
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> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:42:42 -0800 (PST)
> From: steve williams <steelheadwig at yahoo.com>
> To: LAPG <lapg at arashi.com>
> Subject: Re: [Lapg] Southern California version of this
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> >
> > I challenge anyone to present an example of a lawn in SoCal
> > that functions as a sustainable ecosystem.? Even if
> > grazed, most grasses here require a huge input of precious
> > H2O to make it thru the summer.? ...perhaps in
> > Kentucky...?? ( ;? S
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Dennis Pilien <dpilien98 at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: Dennis Pilien <dpilien98 at yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Lapg] Southern California version of
> > this
> > > To: "Stephanie Rioux" <srioux at alum.calarts.edu>,
> > lapg at arashi.com
> > > Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 10:30 PM
> > > Stephanie,
> > > I agree with you. However, there are a few
> > > institutions (and organizations) that dedicate their
> > land
> > > (not covered by human hardscape) to a more natural
> > > environment that is not necessarily lawn or some
> > equivalent.
> > > So the transition evolves to the better...we hope. We
> > are
> > > doing each what we can as we move forward.
> > > Towards sustainability,
> > > Best,
> > > Dennis
> > > Is a lawn another name for a mini-grassland ecosystem
> > in a
> > > few places?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From:
> > > Stephanie Rioux <srioux at alum.calarts.edu>
> > > To:
> > > lapg at arashi.com
> > > Sent: Mon,
> > > November 9, 2009 8:32:17 PM
> > > Subject: Re:
> > > [Lapg] Southern California version of this
> > >
> > >
> > > Another consideration regarding higher education and
> > > permaculture is that, whether a college or university
> > offers
> > > a permaculture- or sustainability-oriented program or
> > not,
> > > college and university campuses represent tremendous
> > land
> > > wealth, most of it presently dedicated to vast
> > > lawns.?
> > >
> > >
> > > Interested students, community members, faculty, and
> > > administration could initiate programs together; while
> > there
> > > is great bureaucracy to wend through, there is also
> > great
> > > potential to be unlocked.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 4, 2009, at 9:18 PM, Jodi Levine
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Along that line, Earthroots Field
> > > School will be hiring new instructors & looking
> > for
> > > interns in 2010 for our field programs with children.
> > Let me
> > > know if you are interested in sharing this vision!
> > >
> > >
> > > www.earthrootsfieldschool.org
> > >
> > >
> > > Jodi
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 8:46 PM,
> > > Dennis Pilien <dpilien98 at yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Practically speaking, get as much formal education as
> > > you think you need. Graduate. Stop. Get a job
> > (informal or
> > > not, paid or not) and do what you love doing.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Rashid
> > > G. <rashidreza at gmail.com>
> > > To: Dennis
> > > Pilien <dpilien98 at yahoo.com>
> > > Cc: crsp at igc.org; cityrepairla at lists.riseup.net;
> > > Lora Hall <gardengrl at gmail.com>;
> > > Ray Cruz <ray.cruz at ergonica.com>;
> > lapg at arashi.com
> > > Sent: Wed,
> > > November 4, 2009 1:31:53 AM
> > > Subject: Re:
> > > [Lapg] Southern California version of this
> > >
> > > Great info
> > > thanks ladies and gents
> > >
> > > thought I should add that I just learned today that
> > > California State University Stanislaus
> > > is offering a B.A. in "Agricultural Studies with a
> > > concentration in Permaculture"
> > >
> > > I was amazed to do a state wide search (assist.org)
> > of
> > > the UC an CSU system
> > > and see the word permaculture actually come up under
> > a
> > > title for a major.
> > > I almost didnt even bother to include that word in my
> > > searches
> > > its the only one that came up in my search
> > >
> > > heres the CSUS
> > >? specific website for the major
> > > http://www.csustan.edu/AGStudies/Permaculture_conc.htm
> > >
> > > I REALLY wish something like this was offered here
> > > in So Cal
> > > I have my liberal studies AA and...
> > > I'm trying to figure out if there is some viable
> > > program I can transfer into next year for an
> > undergraduate
> > > degree that is not too heavily major prep intensive
> > (as in-
> > > not spending too much more time at the community
> > college
> > > level before getting into such an undergraduate
> > program).
> > >
> > > I really resonate with what Lois said about "those
> > > interested in deep and rapid change not spend too much
> > time
> > > in traditional academic programs..."
> > > But a traditional academics program is attractive
> > because
> > > of the wider support system it provides, the main
> > attraction
> > > of that support system for me would be the state and
> > > federally subsidized monetary support.
> > > But I
> > >? keep thinking of the fact, that the rapidly
> > emerging,
> > > revolutionary paradigms in all fields of study related
> > to
> > > permaculture and sustianable building/design will be
> > > seriously under-represented in most institutions.
> > > I keep thinking... How much time will I waste
> > learning
> > > things that I wont use?
> > >
> > > I guess I'm trying to straddle both worlds.
> > > To learn and and make use of whats worthy and
> > efficient
> > > from the old and marry it with whats emerging from
> > the
> > > fringe.
> > >
> > > Its been kind of a riddle for me so far to try and
> > figure
> > > out how to navigate these choices, especially because
> > I dont
> > > have very much training in anything related to
> > permaculture
> > > or sustainable building/design, and theres so many
> > different
> > > combinations of the old world trainings to marry in
> > with the
> > > emerging paradigms.
> > >
> > > Some of the ideas for pursuits, I've been tossing
> > > around are:
> > > Architecture B.A. ( SCI-Arc in LA)
> > > Construction Engineering Management B.S. ( CSU Long
> > Beach
> > >? )
> > > Construction Engineering Technology B.S. ( Cal Poly
> > Pomona
> > > )
> > > Landscape Architecture B.S. ( Cal Poly Pomona )
> > > Engineering Technology B.S. w/ Environmental
> > Technology
> > > option ( CSU Long Beach )
> > >
> > > and OFCOURSE I am considering Gaia University and
> > > will start doing more research on them in the coming
> > days
> > >
> > > anyway sorry to make it so long winded
> > > any words of wisdom or advice would be
> > appreiciated...
> > >
> > > Love and Gratitude
> > > R
> > >
> > > PS. Cal Poly Pomona is offering a Master of Science
> > degree
> > > in Regenerative Studies
> > > http://www.csupomona.edu/~crs/graduate.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:10 AM,
> > > Dennis Pilien <dpilien98 at yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Great response to help many folks...
> > > D
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Lois
> > > Arkin <crsp at igc.org>
> > > To: cityrepairla at lists.riseup.net;
> > > Lora Hall <gardengrl at gmail.com>
> > > Cc: Dennis
> > > Pilien <dpilien98 at yahoo.com>;
> > > Ray Cruz <ray.cruz at ergonica.com>;
> > > lapg at arashi.com
> > > Sent: Mon,
> > > November 2, 2009 10:00:56 AM
> > > Subject:
> > > Southern California version of this
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I would encourage people interested in higher
> > education
> > > credentials to check out Gaia University
> > <www.gaiauniversity.org>
> > > where one can design one's own
> > > "action-learning" program/curriculum, select
> > > one's own mentor instructors, do one's academic work
> > > in place and more in alignment with the rhythms of
> > nature,
> > > as appropriate; pay a radically reduced fee compared
> > to the
> > > UCs or other private universities, and get the
> > accredited
> > > degree of your choice/accomplishment(BA, MA, PhD).
> > >
> > > Perhaps it is worth stressing, also, that those
> > interested
> > > in deep and rapid change not spend too much time in
> > > traditional academic programs which tend, imo, to
> > trail
> > > considerably the advanced work on-the-ground in
> > ecovillages,
> > > some intentional communities? and nonprofit
> > > organizations committed to manifesting and publicly
> > > demonstrating the necessary and integrated
> > > changes/transitions:
> > >? socially, economically and ecologically.
> > >
> > > If you are interested in talking with other students
> > in the
> > > program, I believe there may be a few on these
> > listserves
> > > and/or contact Gaia University.? If there is a group
> > of
> > > you that want to consider starting a GU Regional
> > Center in
> > > LA and want to use the resources of the CRSP Institute
> > for
> > > Urban Ecovillage for doing that, please begin to
> > organize
> > > yourselves, and let the dialog begin.
> > >
> > > Of course this type of program is not for everyone,
> > and
> > > will not necessarily serve all the purposes some
> > strive for
> > > in their higher education goals, but for people who do
> > want
> > > to make a difference rapidly and deeply, are clear in
> > their
> > > academic goals, and have a lot of self-starter
> > initiative,
> > > are capable of earning while learning or have socked
> > away
> > > enough money to subsist on for awhile, this is
> > something to
> > > consider.
> > >
> > > Best to all,
> > > Lois Arkin
> > > CRSP Institute for Urban Ecovillages at
> > > ? L.A.
> > >? Eco-Village
> > > www.laecovillage.org
> > >
> > >
> > > Lora Hall wrote:
> > > > Cal Poly Pomona also offers the M.S. in
> > Regenerative
> > > Studies. I just finished in June. Supposedly the
> > program
> > > goes beyond sustainability and teaches you about
> > > regenerative systems. I can't say it was a great
> > > program- a big disappointment compared to my
> > experience at a
> > > UC. I had to teach myself a lot of what I wanted to
> > learn.
> > > But I do think they are trying to make it better. So
> > if
> > > someone is looking to do a graduate degree without
> > leaving
> > > so Cal, it is an option.
> > > > -Lora
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Dennis Pilien
> > <dpilien98 at yahoo.com
> > > <mailto:dpilien98 at yahoo.com>>
> > >? wrote:
> > > >
> > > >? ? Ray,
> > > >? ? Thanks for the information. It is pretty
> > > interesting. It is also
> > > >? ? interesting how many look upon a PhD as
> > > an extreme specialist in a
> > > >? ? broad area of study. Isn't a PhD, in
> > > say, Environmental Science, the
> > > >? ? specialized study of something general?
> > > Codetalk?
> > > >? ? Dennis
> > > >
> > > >? ?
> > >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >? ? *From:* Ray Cruz <ray.cruz at ergonica.com
> > > <mailto:ray.cruz at ergonica.com>>
> > > >? ? *To:* cityrepairla at lists.riseup.net
> > > >? ? <mailto:cityrepairla at lists.riseup.net>;
> > > Dennis Pilien
> > > >? ? <dpilien98 at yahoo.com
> > > <mailto:dpilien98 at yahoo.com>>
> > > >? ? *Sent:* Sun, November 1, 2009 10:51:50
> > > AM
> > > >? ? *Subject:* RE: [cityrepairla] Southern
> > > California version of this
> > > >
> > > >? ? UCLA offers a B.S. in Environmental
> > > Science and also a minor program
> > > >? ? - much
> > > >? ? to do with sustainability through the
> > > Institute of the Environment.? ?
> > >? Lower
> > > >? ? and Upper Division Course Listings can be
> > > viewed here:
> > > >
> > > >? ? http://www.ioe.ucla.edu/academics/article.asp?parentid=420
> > > >
> > > >? ? Leaders in Sustainability Graduate
> > > Certificate Program:
> > > >? ? This program provides a mechanism for
> > > graduate students at UCLA to
> > > >? ? pursue
> > > >? ? their interests in sustainability and
> > > collaborate with students from
> > > >? ? different fields.
> > > >
> > > >? ? http://www.ioe.ucla.edu/lis/
> > > >
> > > >? ? I'm sure other UC and CSU colleges
> > > offer similar courses and degrees,
> > > >? ? possibly the Ph.D.?
> > > >
> > > >? ? Ray Cruz
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >? ? -----Original
> > >? Message-----
> > > >? ? From: cityrepairla-owner at lists.riseup.net
> > > >? ? <mailto:cityrepairla-owner at lists.riseup.net>
> > > >? ? [mailto:cityrepairla-owner at lists.riseup.net
> > > >? ? <mailto:cityrepairla-owner at lists.riseup.net>]
> > > On Behalf Of Dennis Pilien
> > > >? ? Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 2:15 PM
> > > >? ? To: lapg at arashi.com
> > > <mailto:lapg at arashi.com>;
> > > City Repair LA
> > > >? ? Subject: [cityrepairla] Southern
> > > California version of this
> > > >
> > > >? ? LAPG and City Repair Folks:
> > > >? ? Is there one like this or its equivalent
> > > in the L.A. area? Where or
> > > >? ? why not?
> > > >? ? Maine is nice, but far away. california
> > > is nice and a lot closer
> > > >? ? (permaculture)...
> > > >? ? Towards sustainability,
> > > >? ? DP
> > > >? ? Maine's Sustainability Solutions
> > > Initiative (SSI), a partnership
> > > >? ? between the
> > > >? ? University of Maine and the University of
> > > Southern Maine, offers
> > > >? ? unprecedented opportunities for
> > >? graduate students to experience a truly
> > > >? ? interdisciplinary learning experience
> > > through a $20 million, 5-year
> > > >? ? program
> > > >? ? funded by the National Science
> > > Foundation's EPSCoR program. The SSI's
> > > >? ? mission is to create an integrative
> > > research program and strong
> > > >? ? stakeholder
> > > >? ? partnerships to generate improved
> > > solutions to intersecting ecological,
> > > >? ? social, and economic challenges in and
> > > beyond Maine. Graduate
> > > >? ? students will
> > > >? ? participate in collaborative research
> > > experiences with interdisciplinary
> > > >? ? faculty teams focused on urbanization,
> > > forest ecosystem management, and
> > > >? ? climate change.? These efforts
> > > address the dynamics of social-ecological
> > > >? ? systems with an emphasis on moving from
> > > knowledge to action.
> > > >? ?
> > >? Students with
> > > >? ? backgrounds in a wide range of
> > > disciplines are encouraged to apply: e.g.
> > > >? ? social sciences, biological, earth, and
> > > chemical sciences, natural
> > > >? ? resource
> > > >? ? management, communication, engineering,
> > > education, mathematics, and
> > > >? ? more.
> > > >
> > > >? ? Up to 25 Ph.D. fellowships will be
> > > awarded at the University of
> > > >? ? Maine with a
> > > >? ? substantial portion of these beginning in
> > > fall 2010. Each fellowship
> > > >? ? will
> > > >? ? include a stipend of $20-25,000/ yr for
> > > up to five years, a tuition
> > > >? ? waiver,
> > > >? ? subsidy for health insurance, and some
> > > funds to support thesis research.
> > > >? ? Masters degrees opportunities will be
> > > offered at the University of
> > > >? ? Southern
> > > >? ? Maine.
> > > >
> > > >?
> > >? ? For more information on SSI and fellowship
> > > applications, visit
> > > >? ? www.umaine.edu/sustainabilitysolutions
> > > >? ? <http://www.umaine.edu/sustainabilitysolutions>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -- Lora May Hall
> > > >
> > > > (323) 533-3235
> > > >
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> Subject: [Lapg] Starhawk: Permaculture and the Sacred at The Ojai
> Foundation Dec 4-6 w/ evening lecture on Dec 4th
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> WEEKEND PROGRAM
>
> Fri. Dec. 4 through Sun. Dec 6
>
> $300 - $440 (Sliding Scale)
>
> meals, lecture and lodging included
>
> EVENING LECTURE
>
> Friday, 7pm Open to the PublicTopic: Social PermacultureTickets for lecture
> only are $25
>
> To register visit www.ojaifoundation.org or call (805) 646-8343, ext. 101
>
> Permaculture (?permanent-culture?) creates a practical model of abundance
> and beauty for all, a vision that?s both attainable and sustainable with
> present technology, a practice that works with nature instead of against
> her.
>
> In this workshop, Starhawk, a dedicated permaculturalist herself, takes it
> one step further. Join her to explore ways to listen to the land,
> communicate with nature spirits, heal the scars of past land-abuse, and
> observe the wisdom of the wild. [Lectures and hands-on projects to be
> created in response to site itself and its opportunities. In past, has
> included fungi cultivation, planting living shade structures with fruit
> trees, fun with cobb, ?mud people,? pond construction, kitchen garden
> plantings, herb spirals, ritual to heal clear-cut forests, learning to see
> like an owl and walk like a fox ? and so on.]
>
> Starhawk is one of the most respected voices in modern earth-based
> spirituality. She is also well-known as a global justice activist and
> organizer, whose work and writings have inspired many to action. She is the
> author or coauthor of ten books, including The Spiral Dance: A Rebirth of
> the Ancient Religion of the Great Goddess, long considered the essential
> text for the Neo-Pagan movement, and the now-classic ecotopian novel The
> Fifth Sacred Thing. Starhawk?s newest book is The Earth Path: Grounding Your
> Spirit in the Rhythms of Nature. She believes council, ceremony and nature
> can enrich anyone?s life, and the sooner the better.
>
>
> --
> "If there is any positive side to stark changes coming our way, it may be in
> the benefits of close communal relations, of having to really work
> intimately (and physically) with our neighbors, to be part of an enterprise
> that really matters and to be fully engaged in meaningful social enactments
> instead of being merely entertained to avoid boredom.
>
> Years from now, when we hear singing at all, we will hear ourselves, and we
> will sing with our whole hearts."
>
> "The Long Emergency", 2005, by James Howard Kunstler, Grove/Atlantic, Inc.,
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