Dan,

Great to see the overlap on our responses to Cory's 'perennial veggies for Fla and So Cal' question (some parts nearly word for word!), as I did not read yours until today.

I would also put Pacific Spinach (Abelmoschus manihot) up against Moringa for taste (no cooking needed, but must like okra texture) and super nutrition (comparing raw Pacific Spinach with cooked Moringa). Moringa is much more drought tolerant than Pacific Spinach, if rain/water is an issue.

For those of you interested in tropical nutrition tables (for what they are worth) see
The Pacific Islands food composition tables, SECOND EDITION, FOA UN 2004
online at:
http://www.fao.org/docrep/007/y5432e/y5432e00.htm#Contents

Have you tried the M. stenopetalta?

JV

Cornucopia Kitchen Gardens and Food Forests
John Valenzuela Permaculture Services
Horticulturist, Consultant, Educator-
California, Hawai'i  phone: (415) 246-8834
e-mail: johnvalenzuela@hotmail.com



To: cory8570@yahoo.com; scpg@arashi.com; lapg@arashi.com; johnvalenzuela@myway.com
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:29:08 -0500
From: permacltur@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Lapg] [Scpg] Perennial vegetable list wanted

ECHO in N. Ft. Meyers has the best listing for your area.  Many vegetables that grow as annuals in temperate gardens are tropical perennials of varied lifespans, e.g., lima beans, peppers, sweet potato, etc.  You should get Frank Martin's Edible Leaves of the Tropics, which is exustive.  We publish his Plants for Use in Permaculture in the Tropics, which also would have many of the vegetables that you seek.  Bear in mind that tree crops are more important than herbaceous crops in tropical or near-tropical conditions.  Probably the most nutritious single vegetable you can grow is the Moringa tree. Herbaceous plants with edible roots or tubers, such as sweet potato, jicima, various yams, chayote (also leaves and fruit), etc., are very good to have around as survival food when hurricanes strip away most vegetation and fruit above ground.  Natives in Borneo retained good health living almost entirely on sweetpotato during the Japanese occupation in World War II.  Some fruits, such as sapote, seem more like vegetables to me.  Weedy plants, such as Chenopodium giganteum, are not perennial but self-sow so freely that the are the next best thing.  And that is another with super flavor and super nutritional value.  

Dan Hemenway


-----Original Message-----
From: Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
To: scpg@arashi.com; lapg <lapg@arashi.com>; johnvalenzuela@myway.com
Sent: Fri, Dec 11, 2009 10:30 pm
Subject: Re: [Scpg] Perennial vegetable list wanted

PS, I will share the complete list on these lists once I get it together :-)

--- On Fri, 12/11/09, John Valenzuela <johnvalenzuela@hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: John Valenzuela <johnvalenzuela@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [Scpg] Perennial vegetable list wanted
> To: cory8570@yahoo.com, scpg@arashi.com, "lapg" <lapg@arashi.com>
> Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 12:34 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Lots of lists out there. . .
> 
> My favorite, a must have for all food foresters, with an
> incredible range of climates included (Canada to
> Hawai'i):
> Perennial
> Vegetables
>           From
> Artichokes to Zuiki Taro, a Gardener's Guide to Over 100
> Delicious, Easy-to-Grow Edibles
>           by Eric
> ToensmeierPublished by Chelsea
> Green
> 
> After living in Hawai'i  for 15 years, 
> here are some of my favorites greens for your climate:
> 
> Tree collards, Brassica
> edible hibiscus, pacific spinach, Abelmoschus
> katuk, Saropus
> horseradish tree, Moringa
> Okinawan spinach, Gyurna
> Brasilian spinach, Alternanthera
> Mayan spinach, Chaya
> 
> don't get me started on the perennial roots, and vines.
> . .
> well, I can go on, and on, if you want.
> 
> JV
> 
> Cornucopia Kitchen Gardens and Food Forests
> John Valenzuela 
> Permaculture Services
> Horticulturist, Consultant, Educator- 
> 
> California, Hawai'i 
> phone: (415) 246-8834
> 
> e-mail: johnvalenzuela@hotmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> > Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:35:17 -0800
> > From: cory8570@yahoo.com
> > To: scpg@arashi.com; lapg@arashi.com
> > Subject: [Scpg] Perennial vegetable list wanted
> > 
> > Anybody know where I could find a pretty comprehensive
> list of perennial veggies that will grow in Florida and/or S
> Calif?  I have partial lists, but I'm looking to expand
> them.
> > 
> > Cory
> > 
> > 
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