I too suspected as much. I have noticed that (most) pruned fruit trees produce far less fruit than their unpruned counterparts. They are also exposed to disease at the cut. The only advantages I see to pruning are for increased
fruit size (less fruit means bigger individual fruits, but overall less weight per tree) and the obvious like crossing limbs or to keep the tree small.
My mom never prunes her roses and they are the healthiest plants I have seen. She gets flowers all year in Ojai (still blooming).
In my opinion, the most common mistake in pruning (besides pruning too much) is timing. The time of year is very important in how the plant will respond to the pruning. We have all seen a tree send out a million shoots at the spot it was pruned. I think this is because it was pruned at the wrong time.
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My mom never prunes her roses and they are the healthiest plants I have seen. She gets flowers all year in Ojai (still blooming).
In my opinion, the most common mistake in pruning (besides pruning too much) is timing. The time of year is very important in how the plant will respond to the pruning. We have all seen a tree send out a million shoots at the spot it was pruned. I think this is because it was pruned at the wrong time.
Loren Luyendyk
(805) 452-8249
www.sborganics.
www.surferswithoutb
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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:44:55 -0800
Subject: -SBOrgGdn- Re: [sbperm] No pruning may offer best roses, fruit crops?
Excellent news! I suspected as much. There's another study that
proved that unpruned trees (natives and ornamentals, not fruit trees)
do better in winds because the leaves and branchlets absorb the
energy of the wind. Traditio nally pruned ornamental trees, thinned to
"take the sail out," had problems with loss of major limbs and
overturning, whereas the same kinds of trees growing in a natural
unpruned state did not.
What makes us think we can outsmart millions of years of slow, steady
evolution towards the optimal forms of organisms? Seems to me that
it's a product of the human need to control everything, not backed up
by good science. Much of conventional horticulture is of a similar
origin, and is similarly unsupported by any scientific evidence. I
applaud any effort to learn what really is going on, and to better
understand our role in the care of our plants and garden ecosystems.
I suspect that we have much to learn.
Pruning to control size is a similarly dubious idea, made necessary
by placement of a plant in a space not adequate for its ultimate
size. Under normal circumstances, the only pruning that really makes
sense (off the top of my head) is 1.) removing crossing, damaged,
weak or otherwise truly troublesome branches, 2.) minor corrections
to young trees in order to develop a good branching structure, and
3.) safety pruning to remove branches that might become a hazard.
Pruning should be done from the inside, not from outside. There are
exceptions to this information, of course, such as espaliered trees,
sheared hedges (only where there is no other solution to the problem
of screening), and per haps controlling the size of fruit trees where
we intentionally have placed them in too small a space on the
principle that it's better to do so and enjoy the fruit that to have
nothing simply because our land isn't big enough to accommodate fully-
developed trees.
I love to prune and it's hard not to dive in and clean up a badly
structured plant. I'm as much of a control freak as any gardener (we
really do love to play God, don't we?), and I work to control my own
instincts in this regard. I note that there is a call for volunteers
to prune the roses at the Mission; I wonder what would happen if this
information were made available to them? It's really hard to tell
people that everything they know is wrong, but sometimes it's the
best thing in the long run.
Owen
On Dec 24, 2008, at 9:46 AM, LBUZZELL@aol.com wrote:
> Before you do any winter pruning, please read this article!
>
> Gregg Lowery of Vintage Gardens in Sebastopol, CA has written a
> very important article about the scientific evidence that now
> contradicts traditional procedures for rose pruning. This article
> may also have relevance for how we prune fruit trees, since roses
> are members of the rosaceae family which includes many fruit trees.
>
> In short, the British rose society did experimental trials on three
> methods: traditiona l pruning, trimming with hedge trimmers and no
> pruning at all. The winner in terms of health and bloom was -- you
> guessed it -- no pruning at all. The British rosarians were in an
> uproar!!! How could it be possible that the plants know better
> than people how to do their job?
> \
> We may still choose to prune for size, of course -- but we need to
> know that we're not helping the health of the plant by doing so,
> and a gentle hand is needed.
>
> http://www.vintagegardens.com/PDF/Vintage%20Newsletter%2012_19_08.pdf
>
> Happy holidays,
> Linda
>
>
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proved that unpruned trees (natives and ornamentals, not fruit trees)
do better in winds because the leaves and branchlets absorb the
energy of the wind. Traditio nally pruned ornamental trees, thinned to
"take the sail out," had problems with loss of major limbs and
overturning, whereas the same kinds of trees growing in a natural
unpruned state did not.
What makes us think we can outsmart millions of years of slow, steady
evolution towards the optimal forms of organisms? Seems to me that
it's a product of the human need to control everything, not backed up
by good science. Much of conventional horticulture is of a similar
origin, and is similarly unsupported by any scientific evidence. I
applaud any effort to learn what really is going on, and to better
understand our role in the care of our plants and garden ecosystems.
I suspect that we have much to learn.
Pruning to control size is a similarly dubious idea, made necessary
by placement of a plant in a space not adequate for its ultimate
size. Under normal circumstances, the only pruning that really makes
sense (off the top of my head) is 1.) removing crossing, damaged,
weak or otherwise truly troublesome branches, 2.) minor corrections
to young trees in order to develop a good branching structure, and
3.) safety pruning to remove branches that might become a hazard.
Pruning should be done from the inside, not from outside. There are
exceptions to this information, of course, such as espaliered trees,
sheared hedges (only where there is no other solution to the problem
of screening), and per haps controlling the size of fruit trees where
we intentionally have placed them in too small a space on the
principle that it's better to do so and enjoy the fruit that to have
nothing simply because our land isn't big enough to accommodate fully-
developed trees.
I love to prune and it's hard not to dive in and clean up a badly
structured plant. I'm as much of a control freak as any gardener (we
really do love to play God, don't we?), and I work to control my own
instincts in this regard. I note that there is a call for volunteers
to prune the roses at the Mission; I wonder what would happen if this
information were made available to them? It's really hard to tell
people that everything they know is wrong, but sometimes it's the
best thing in the long run.
Owen
On Dec 24, 2008, at 9:46 AM, LBUZZELL@aol.
> Before you do any winter pruning, please read this article!
>
> Gregg Lowery of Vintage Gardens in Sebastopol, CA has written a
> very important article about the scientific evidence that now
> contradicts traditional procedures for rose pruning. This article
> may also have relevance for how we prune fruit trees, since roses
> are members of the rosaceae family which includes many fruit trees.
>
> In short, the British rose society did experimental trials on three
> methods: traditiona l pruning, trimming with hedge trimmers and no
> pruning at all. The winner in terms of health and bloom was -- you
> guessed it -- no pruning at all. The British rosarians were in an
> uproar!!! How could it be possible that the plants know better
> than people how to do their job?
> \
> We may still choose to prune for size, of course -- but we need to
> know that we're not helping the health of the plant by doing so,
> and a gentle hand is needed.
>
> http://www.vintageg
>
> Happy holidays,
> Linda
>
>
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