Wendy,
Thanks for posting a response to the thread.

I am an active member of a few chapters of the California Rare Fruit Growers up here in the SF Bay area. The website is strong on fruits, with only limited info on perennial veggies.

You are all welcome to come to our local annual Fruit wood Scion Exchanges held in Jan/Feb, check with your local chapter for exact dates. Join the state wide organization and get a cool full color fruit magazine. Next year's Festival of Fruit will be held at the Fullerton Arboretum, with the theme "year of the Dragon Fruit", see you there!

Cornucopia II is the best book on edibles, ever, just alot to wade through, looking for just p.veggies. You may all know the author Stephen Facciola was partners with Steve Spangler in founding Exotica (two different Steves).

Though veggies benefit from being in intensive gardens, ideally fed by rain water from roofs and greywater, the climates are getting more extreemm everywhere, and the most adaptable edible weeds will survive.

But truly we must all seek out our unique natives (and other wild growing plants) to know and grow. .  and use with respect.

JV

Cornucopia Kitchen Gardens and Food Forests
John Valenzuela Permaculture Services
Horticulturist, Consultant, Educator-
California, Hawai'i  phone: (415) 246-8834
e-mail: johnvalenzuela@hotmail.com



Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:07:37 -0800
From: wtalaro@yahoo.com
To: lapg@arashi.com
Subject: Re: [Lapg] Perennial vegetable list wanted

Greetings to everyone reading and interested in this thread!

I've already sent a personal response to Cory but I couldn't let this thread go on without a plug for the website of the California Rare Fruit Growers, www.crfg.org. They've got a comprehensive list. Speaking of master lists and a well-deserved plug, Cornucopia II (713p, $40) by Stephen Facciola is the master tome on edibles and that's not even all the plants that he could possibly write about! No pictures but it is chock full of information. You will definitely get your money's worth. Contact Steve at Exotica Nursery in Vista - you know, the nursery that's in trouble that John Valenzuela wrote about. My master's thesis, titled "Coastal Southern California Edible Forest Gardening: Plant Species and Cultivar List", which lists species and cultivars is a tad over 500 pages.

Remember that the climates of CA and Florida are becoming more divergent. Think in the long term. I can't speak for Florida but CA is becoming drier and water scarce yet with a measurable increase in humidity. Each area really needs its own tailored list of suitable plants. There will be some overlaps in the species lists but to do each of the places justice and to give each due respect, there should be an inclusion of edible endemic plants as well.

Kind regards,
 
Wendy Talaro, M.A.
Truffle in Paradise
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Divine delights with a social and environmental conscience

and
Sustainability Integration Specialist and Consultant
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Real solutions for real people for a sustainable post-carbon economy

Wendy Talaro is the principal designer and consultant behind Fruits to Nuts and she has the capacity to retrofit conventional gardens and landscapes for sustainability. The main geographic focus of her work as a designer and consultant is Southern California. Fruits to Nuts specializes in using both CA natives and/or edibles in garden design and applied ecological principles so that beauty, productivity, low water usage, and relatively low/easy maintenance are the results. Well-considered design and restored soils in turn helps plants thrive and stay healthy. In essence, as a designer Wendy practices a kind of ecological homeopathy, using the tools of nature to heal nature.


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  3. Re: Perennial vegetable list wanted (Cory Brennan)
  4. Re: [Scpg] Perennial vegetable list wanted (Cory Brennan)
  5. Today's Chumash Rain Dance has become a mini- sweat lodge
      with stories & traditional face painting* (charon nogues)


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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:33:25 -0800
From: John Valenzuela <johnvalenzuela@hotmail.com>
To: <cory8570@yahoo.com>, <scpg@arashi.com>, lapg <lapg@arashi.com>
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Lots of lists out there. . .

My favorite, a must have for all food foresters, with an incredible range of climates included (Canada to Hawai'i):
Perennial Vegetables
            From Artichokes to Zuiki Taro, a Gardener's Guide to Over 100 Delicious, Easy-to-Grow Edibles
            by Eric ToensmeierPublished by Chelsea Green

After living in Hawai'i  for 15 years,
here are some of my favorites greens for your climate:

Tree collards, Brassica
edible hibiscus, pacific spinach, Abelmoschus
katuk, Saropus
horseradish tree, Moringa
Okinawan spinach, Gyurna
Brasilian spinach, Alternanthera
Mayan spinach, Chaya

don't get me started on the perennial roots, and vines. . .
well, I can go on, and on, if you want.

JV

Cornucopia Kitchen Gardens and Food Forests
John Valenzuela
Permaculture Services
Horticulturist, Consultant, Educator-

California, Hawai'i
phone: (415) 246-8834

e-mail: johnvalenzuela@hotmail.com



> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:35:17 -0800
> From: cory8570@yahoo.com
> To: scpg@arashi.com; lapg@arashi.com
> Subject: [Lapg] Perennial vegetable list wanted
>
> Anybody know where I could find a pretty comprehensive list of perennial veggies that will grow in Florida and/or S Calif?  I have partial lists, but I'm looking to expand them.
>
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From: John Valenzuela <johnvalenzuela@hotmail.com>
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Lots of lists out there. . .

My favorite, a must have for all food foresters, with an incredible range of climates included (Canada to Hawai'i):
Perennial Vegetables
            From Artichokes to Zuiki Taro, a Gardener's Guide to Over 100 Delicious, Easy-to-Grow Edibles
            by Eric ToensmeierPublished by Chelsea Green

After living in Hawai'i  for 15 years,
here are some of my favorites greens for your climate:

Tree collards, Brassica
edible hibiscus, pacific spinach, Abelmoschus
katuk, Saropus
horseradish tree, Moringa
Okinawan spinach, Gyurna
Brasilian spinach, Alternanthera
Mayan spinach, Chaya

don't get me started on the perennial roots, and vines. . .
well, I can go on, and on, if you want.

JV

Cornucopia Kitchen Gardens and Food Forests
John Valenzuela
Permaculture Services
Horticulturist, Consultant, Educator-

California, Hawai'i
phone: (415) 246-8834

e-mail: johnvalenzuela@hotmail.com



> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:35:17 -0800
> From: cory8570@yahoo.com
> To: scpg@arashi.com; lapg@arashi.com
> Subject: [Scpg] Perennial vegetable list wanted
>
> Anybody know where I could find a pretty comprehensive list of perennial veggies that will grow in Florida and/or S Calif?  I have partial lists, but I'm looking to expand them.
>
> Cory
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:30:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
To: scpg@arashi.com, lapg <lapg@arashi.com>, johnvalenzuela@myway.com
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Well, yes, please do get started on the roots and vines :-)  Love to hear what you've had success with. I love the moringa!  First introducd to it in Florida, I brought seeds to S Cal if anybody's interested. Beautiful plant, so useful for so many things and a possible life saving food source perhaps.  And the Okinawan spinach does well in shade and heat both which is great for my yard in Fl.  I haven't tried a number of the ones you listed, looking forward to it.

Have heard about this book, may need to break down and purchase...

Cory



--- On Fri, 12/11/09, John Valenzuela <johnvalenzuela@hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: John Valenzuela <johnvalenzuela@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [Lapg] Perennial vegetable list wanted
> To: cory8570@yahoo.com, scpg@arashi.com, "lapg" <lapg@arashi.com>
> Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 12:33 PM
>
>
>
>
> 
> Lots of lists out there. . .
>
> My favorite, a must have for all food foresters, with an
> incredible range of climates included (Canada to
> Hawai'i):
> Perennial
> Vegetables
>             From
> Artichokes to Zuiki Taro, a Gardener's Guide to Over 100
> Delicious, Easy-to-Grow Edibles
>             by Eric
> ToensmeierPublished by Chelsea
> Green
>
> After living in Hawai'i? for 15 years,
> here are some of my favorites greens for your climate:
>
> Tree collards, Brassica
> edible hibiscus, pacific spinach, Abelmoschus
> katuk, Saropus
> horseradish tree, Moringa
> Okinawan spinach, Gyurna
> Brasilian spinach, Alternanthera
> Mayan spinach, Chaya
>
> don't get me started on the perennial roots, and vines.
> . .
> well, I can go on, and on, if you want.
>
> JV
>
> Cornucopia Kitchen Gardens and Food Forests
> John Valenzuela
> Permaculture Services
> Horticulturist, Consultant, Educator-
>
> California, Hawai'i?
> phone: (415) 246-8834
>
> e-mail: johnvalenzuela@hotmail.com
>
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:35:17 -0800
> > From: cory8570@yahoo.com
> > To: scpg@arashi.com; lapg@arashi.com
> > Subject: [Lapg] Perennial vegetable list wanted
> >
> > Anybody know where I could find a pretty comprehensive
> list of perennial veggies that will grow in Florida and/or S
> Calif?  I have partial lists, but I'm looking to expand
> them.
> >
> > Cory
> >
> >
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:30:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
To: scpg@arashi.com, lapg <lapg@arashi.com>, johnvalenzuela@myway.com
Subject: Re: [Lapg] [Scpg] Perennial vegetable list wanted
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PS, I will share the complete list on these lists once I get it together :-)

--- On Fri, 12/11/09, John Valenzuela <johnvalenzuela@hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: John Valenzuela <johnvalenzuela@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [Scpg] Perennial vegetable list wanted
> To: cory8570@yahoo.com, scpg@arashi.com, "lapg" <lapg@arashi.com>
> Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 12:34 PM
>
>
>
>
> 
> Lots of lists out there. . .
>
> My favorite, a must have for all food foresters, with an
> incredible range of climates included (Canada to
> Hawai'i):
> Perennial
> Vegetables
>             From
> Artichokes to Zuiki Taro, a Gardener's Guide to Over 100
> Delicious, Easy-to-Grow Edibles
>             by Eric
> ToensmeierPublished by Chelsea
> Green
>
> After living in Hawai'i? for 15 years,
> here are some of my favorites greens for your climate:
>
> Tree collards, Brassica
> edible hibiscus, pacific spinach, Abelmoschus
> katuk, Saropus
> horseradish tree, Moringa
> Okinawan spinach, Gyurna
> Brasilian spinach, Alternanthera
> Mayan spinach, Chaya
>
> don't get me started on the perennial roots, and vines.
> . .
> well, I can go on, and on, if you want.
>
> JV
>
> Cornucopia Kitchen Gardens and Food Forests
> John Valenzuela
> Permaculture Services
> Horticulturist, Consultant, Educator-
>
> California, Hawai'i?
> phone: (415) 246-8834
>
> e-mail: johnvalenzuela@hotmail.com
>
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:35:17 -0800
> > From: cory8570@yahoo.com
> > To: scpg@arashi.com; lapg@arashi.com
> > Subject: [Scpg] Perennial vegetable list wanted
> >
> > Anybody know where I could find a pretty comprehensive
> list of perennial veggies that will grow in Florida and/or S
> Calif?  I have partial lists, but I'm looking to expand
> them.
> >
> > Cory
> >
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:03:10 -0800 (PST)
From: charon nogues <trickypoodle@yahoo.com>
To: lapg@arashi.com
Subject: [Lapg] Today's Chumash Rain Dance has become a mini- sweat
    lodge    with stories & traditional face painting*
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